914/6 - 914.043.0041

[PJenkins]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=014&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=330064083162&rd=1,1

Alright, is it me or does this thing seem over priced already?

It doesn't run, non-numbers matching motor, BBS wheels aren't worth what Fuchs are worth, the interior is completely ratty.

I will give you that there is a few nice parts on this car with the motor, clutch and trans...given that an aluminum case just went for just over $1000 on eBay last week.

I would have figured fair would have been in the $7500 range?

Any opinions?

Peter

[JKH]

I agree, running driving is one thing ,not since 1990 is another.
But did you see the rusty thing that went for 6k a few weeks ago.
and this one 15.5k with messed up sus. ear.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1970-Porsche-914-6_W0QQitemZ230059351185QQihZ013QQcategoryZ6430QQss PageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[Dave_Darling]

I dunno, it seems like it's not too far out of whack. A lot depends on the exact condition of everything, though. That transmission wasn't cheap to build, and may still be worth some good money. Some of those close-ratio gears are worth $$$. It has more than just a couple good parts on it from what I can see; and the mag-center BBS wheels may very well be worth more than equivalent-size Fuchs. (The regular alu-center ones don't seem to be, though.)

I'm not that surprised to see a $10K bid on it. If it were to go much higher, though, I'd just say "that's e-bay for you..." ;)

--DD

[JKH]

7 days to go? wow , I may have to let this go if it gets too crazy.

[gms]

FOR SALE AD:
1/1982 Panorama:
2.5 ltr alum case, 2.2 rods, ported & polished, S clutch, short gears, late shifter, adjust swaybar, Bilstein RS frt struts & rear shocks w/adj perches, short springs, Turbo steering geometry, S calipers, CD rotors, SS lines, frt GT cooler w/aeroquip thermostat. More.
$10,500

[914 Perry]

It's worth whatever 2 people are willing to pay? I think we are long past the days of getting a fairly solid, intact 6's for less than $10k. If that car has no serious accident history and the seam welding was done well, then it's still probably a deal at $12k. There are some mods that may detract from originality, but it's still got heat exchangers, and all the real 6 stuff on it. I mean a great car could bring $25+ right? So a ratty one with a good chassis and everything there is worth half? I guess we'll see! Either way, it's good for the hobby.

[gms]

PK did you see the fuel filler area?

[gms]

more images

[davep]

Quite an interesting history. That fuel filler is very well done. Appears to be Canary originally. I have asked for more info. Very early car also. May be Nov or Dec production.

[PJenkins]

PK...I agree with you on values of solid 914/6 and certainly would say that they should be $40K within 5 years.

BUT, a ratty...non-numbers matching @15K with 6 days left? No way.

We'll see...

Hey Jeff, what's the flared fendered one doing in the back of the photo??

[boxstr]

Solid, well documented 6, with motor ohaul and trans. Take a ratty one at $10k and add some of the items this car has and you are easily at $15k.
I see no reason why this should not sell at $18to 20K.
Its not just ebay it is the price that the 914-6 is begining to sell for.
Sorry, if you are looking for a $10 rat rod, keep looking, and that is exactly what you will get. Drop another $10k into it and you have a nice driver that you will get $25k when you decide to sell.
CCLIN6SAREUP

[Pat Garvey]

Well, I think this car is has zero potential....unless you're willing to put another 20-25k into it. Yep, 914/6's may go for 50K someday, but only if they are original/stock restorations. Yeah, the fuel filler is cute & well-done, but a total waste of money & a $$ bucket to restore. Motor isn't right, heels aren't right (& good Fuchs are getting rare), color is wrong. Most of the other problems or bolt-off & replace. Plus - this car has been stored POORLY! Look at the mold on the steering wheel, the gross level of dust (on a "covered" car).

Don't care if the wheel centers are made of gold - no one wants them.

The car is a nightmare! But.....it IS a VERY early chassis & that's worth something. I'm with Dave D. If the the car sells for more than 10-11k, "that's EBay". I pity the guy that buys it & hopes to make big bucks - probably won't happen. But then, there may be someone more eager than he/she to own a six. Free Enterprise! It's a great thing! Doesn't hurt our resale values either.

[JKH]

Hey Jeff, what's the flared fendered one doing in the back of the photo??
project 094

I dont like brown , martin how far is that from you ?, check it out.
help him get the hood open

[Dave_Darling]

This auction is one to watch, and wonder. Auction mentioned it failed SMOG. Did the 914-6 ever fall into having to be smogged in Ca?

You must be young... :D Up through the early 90s, I believe, all cars of model years 1968 and newer had to pass smog every other year. I forget what year they implemented the smog checks (no, I'm not that old ;) ) but they did have to be checked for quite a while. I had a friend with a 68 912 with the smog pump; the pump was almost completely impossible to get but the CARB data base said there were some available, so she had to have it on there.

Then we got a 25-year rolling exemption, starting with the 73 model year cars. Then that got changed to a 30-year one (keeping the 73s and earlier exempt) before that first year was up. Then that got frozen at 75 and older...

Of course, the exemption is from testing, not from actually meeting the requirements. So they can change the law back at any time and claim that they're not actually changing anything, because in theory we are still supposed to meet all of the requirements every day... Aaah, politics--you just gotta love it!!

--DD

[gms]

http://s128.photobucket.com/albums/p166/truckpentek/

[LloydP]

I am the guy that owns this car. I was checking around to see what the 914 community thought about the price and if anyone knew how to get the front trunk open. A few comments.

I got a lot of heat from my friends about not cleaning it up before selling. Stung by justified criticism, I went out and did a little cleaning.
While the interior is not new, I don't think it qualifies as totally trashed.
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p166/truckpentek/DSC01977.jpg

Pat Garvey, I think you may be mistaken, these are BBS Modular wheels taken off a competition 911, not standard 1 piece street wheels. Very light and expensive. I had a center out IIRC, it couldn't weight more than 2 pounds, you could lift it without effort with your little finger. Blast and repaint them and they will look great.

Non numbers matching, not stock color? Don't care. This is a religious issue completely beyond my understanding. I just like a great car to drive. I don't buy cars for an investment. Buy for fun, If it goes up in value, Great.

The engine should be able to be restarted if done carefully. I would expect to have to rebuild the carbs first. It will never run right until you get the varnish out of the emulsifier passages. For safety I would replace all calipers and master cylinder. New Tires of course. So $2k-3k (and a lot of elbow grease) should get it running.

It is currently sitting at 14.8 with 6 days left. Is it worth it? Don't know. Not my call. I set a number, if I couldn't get that number, I was going to restore it myself.

BTW, anyone had to get a front trunk open with a broken cable?
BTW2. For Info. There are 191 people watching this sale and it has been visited 3375 times. I have responded to 35 messages so far.

All of you guys with 914/6's must be smiling.

Thanks for the info in advance. Lloyd

[PartPricer]

Lloyd,

Thanks for the post.

First, make sure that you take Pat's comments with a grain of salt. He is the textbook definition of a Concours Weenie (CW).

As far as opening the front trunk with the cable being snapped or inoperable, it is not too difficult. You need to remove the front bumper. There are four bolts inside the front wheel wells (two on each side). After you've done that, you will see the mechanism for releasing the trunk through an access hole towards the center.

[davep]

Great to see you here Lloyd. I messaged you through eBay asking for more info. I agree that defining the value is whatever someone is willing to pay. I think the Troutman association probably adds a bit to the value.

[Pat Garvey]

Lloyd,

Thanks for the post.

First, make sure that you take Pat's comments with a grain of salt. He is the textbook definition of a Concours Weenie (CW).

As far as opening the front trunk with the cable being snapped or inoperable, it is not too difficult. You need to remove the front bumper. There are four bolts inside the front wheel wells (two on each side). After you've done that, you will see the mechanism for releasing the trunk through an access hole towards the center.
I represent that remark! (chuckle)

Pat

[gms]

Lloyd,
Thanks for stopping by, your car is very interesting!
I think you have a unique early 914/6 that seems to be pretty solid.

Do you have a Certificate of Authenticity for this car, I would be interested to see that information.
Certificate of Authenticity (http://www.stazak.com/914reg/default.asp?p=11)

Do you have any information about the origin of the fuel filler door, I for one would like to see more detail pictures of the fuel tank mod and the door opening mechanism.

I would also be interested in the DOT sticker (if present)
http://www.stazak.com/914reg/stickr.gif

and the Karman number in the trunk.
http://www.stazak.com/914reg/karno.gif

I have a 914/6 Registry where you can find more information at:
The 914/6 Registry (http://www.stazak.com/914reg/)

[LloydP]

Thanks for the comments guys. No problem with the grain of salt, if you post, you are going to get peoples opinions.

Paul H. Thanks for the great info. Somebody always knows the right way to fix something. I would like to fix it as I am somewhat chagrined about breaking it. I will wait to see what the new owner wants, I have printed your info to go along with the car.

Glenn, the DOT sticker, Is that on the door? I have included pics of the door jams and have not seen this sticker. ( The previous owner said that the first time he saw the car it was on a rotisserie at Troutmans. It looks like Peter took several of the factory badges off during that restoraton.) Is the Karman number in the rear? I can't quite make out where that is. It looks to be right next to a latch.

As for the fuel filler, I posted a response from Petr Dawe discussing how it was done. As far as opening, there are two buttons on the door, push one and it opens, lower the lid and push the other and it latches.

I will send you the info on the new owner if it is ok, and try to get him to join the forum.

Just for info, the site currently has had 4686 separate visits and there are currently 209 People watching. The Photobucket pics have had about 150 visitors. We will see what happens Wednesday.

I just added some pics of the battery perch.

Thanks again, Lloyd

[davep]

Yes, the Karmann body number (something like 1300xx) is just in front of the rear trunk lock. Sometimes it is not too distinct.

The DOT decal is on the drivers side door latch post. Often these are removed for repainting.

The paint code is on a Karmann badge on the drivers door hinge post. Probably '29' for Canary yellow.

[gms]

The paint code is on a Karmann badge on the drivers door hinge post. Probably '29' for Canary yellow.
The badge is missing

[davep]

The badge is missing

That is too bad, I was very curious to see if it looked like the one on #0033 since it was a bit of an oddball.

Info at:
http://www.pbase.com/9146gt/other_porsche_9146_gt_race_cars_imsa_vin9140430033

Decal & badge:

[gms]

$15,601.01 USD final price

[LloydP]

For info. I delivered the car on 1/4/07.
Paul, the info on how to get the front trunk open was perfect. The front bumper was off with 4 bolts and the trunk was open with a screwdriver. Easy as could be. Thanks.

I had a lot of questions on the filler so while we were waiting on the DMV inspection, I took a bunch of pics of the filler area and posted 5 in the photobucket account. They should be the first 5 you see at
http://s128.photobucket.com/albums/p166/truckpentek/

Thanks, Lloyd

[JKH]

check this out;
battery tray pics show green paint under brown,
floor pics and front trunk show yellow under brown,

hope the new owner post some updates.

[Pat Garvey]

check this out;
battery tray pics show green paint under brown,
floor pics and front trunk show yellow under brown,

hope the new owner post some updates.
You're right - this is a very "colorful" 914.

How can this mix of colors be explained?

[olav]

Alien abduction. It's the only explaination.

[LloydP]

check this out;
battery tray pics show green paint under brown,
floor pics and front trunk show yellow under brown,

hope the new owner post some updates.


At the risk of beating this to death. The pics may be misleading. The green on the battery tray is green mung from the battery, not green paint. The car was originally canary yellow.

The new owner says it is shortly going to be metallic blue with a cork interior. He registered as burton73 on 914world.com

Thanks, Lloyd

[Gustl]

The new owner says it is shortly going to be metallic blue with a cork interior.

this sounds like the well known 916 (914.2.33.0018) to me

[Eric_Shea]

Update: This is Bob Burton's car now. I believe I've officially talked him down from the metallic blue (yes, that car was his inspiration) and into Canary Yellow. I believe it will have flares though. Not sure how I feel about that. :confused:

This car was a Troutman owned and built very early 6. Bob had me go through all of the calipers and all of the suspension. The calipers were S-Calipers up front and now sport GT calipers in the rear.

It is currently undergoing a ground up but it is my understanding that Bob has gotten a bit side tracked with a V8 purchase.

It will be nice to see it done as I think this is a very important 914-6.